You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Not to mention Goku, nor Vegeta was able to beat him with brute power by himself, which also adds to that and you are ignoring that whole section. He said that because he knocked Goku's UI and has seen that Vegeta has more ki to absorb. You mean in that quote where he literally states Vegeta is the strongest he fought? Moro wouldn't have said "You will make for my finest meal yet". of 5; Next ; Last ; You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Graycap is right. That just means Moro was on a different level all together. It's really not wank Kid Buu is still the strongest Buu, at the very least way stronger than Base Super Buu. @gelato_exotic: I actually have to disagree. Stick with marvel and DC because these peoples DB knowledge is pretty shit. Given these variables, Vegeta would still more than likely be weaker than full power Jiren and much weaker than BUW Jiren. A18 don't know what training he did, nor how much stronger he got. Moro isnt even faze by his blows. Because it can be interpreted many ways, moro could have mean that he would make his finest meal yet because now he can absorb more power from vegeta. Even in the anime, Jiren only went all out against MUI Goku. Moro only gets stronger via absorbing life energy. Again where was this stated that moro gets stronger as the fight goes on. Did he win? I literally stating that, and that has no barring on the fact that Goku lost, Moro said Vegeta is the strongest person he's fought verbatim. No but Whis and Beerus were confident that beerus would handle it. Honk twice if you have Devil May Cry 2 Platinum lmfao. Vegeta Vs Jiren. Moro himself admitting Vegeta is stronger is still something you have to deal with, you glossing over that fact is insane. Moro tanked a hit from Vegeta with little to no damage. Even Goku himself says he will surpass Vegeta again, and Moro says Vegeta will make for his finest meal even before he was aware of forced spirit fission how are you going to argue the contrary? @gelato_exotic: your kid boo wanking is the worst although with goku its pretty absurd too. Anime dbs dragon ball super fight Jiren live wallpaper Vegeta Wallpaper free. Goku's UI Sign still shows better power feats. See how it goes both ways, I have yet to see you counter anybody. @chaosreigns: Please just stop, it's not backtracking, he literally says it, Goku says it, I don't know what else you want? By your logic Moro is only galaxy level because he was planning to only destroy the galaxy. LMAOAOAOAO, first of all don't tell me what to do, 2nd of all this is a debate, don't make it something it's not. Goku. Also, no that's a straw man, and a false comparison, it's not the same, we know they scale to universal+. RELEASED FEBRUARY 2, 2018 ℗ 2018 IVANGEL MUSIC. Are you trolling me? Beerus assessed his current level of power and figured he would step in and finish the job on Moro who was gaining power. Why does it have to be stated? he passively absorbs energy getting stronger over time. Daha fazla videoya gözat. What's vague about the statement. Vegeta won not because he was more powerful but because Vegeta 's battle skills are far more better than Goku's , in terms of technique and strategy. Each time Vegeta strike Moro he grew weaker without him even noticing. Your multiplying your power by 20x twice? @chaosreigns: Who cares what the Z fighters aknowledge when Goku blatantly says I will surpass him again, not I will do better none of that. … Forced spirit fission technique =/= ultra instinct technique. Moro wouldn't have said "You will make for my finest meal yet". I have gathered enough evidence but just need to rest since its been a long night debating this. No it doesn't lol. Vegeta would be his best meal since he already knocked out the power of UI Goku and can now absorb a now power upped Vegeta. Different techniques for different applications. NO NO WAY LMAOAOAOAO, so Moro stating Vegeta would be his best meal is vague, but let me get this straight, drawings that depict "damage" is a better judge? Its no assumption to believe that he was referring to technique/skill because that's how Vegeta was able to defeat moro a.k.a. You cannot debunk it at all, Moro himself says Vegeta would be his best meal, Goku says he will surpass him again, doesn't matter what else you say, nor do I care what else you say, you're contradicting what is shown in the manga to go along with your headcanon because for some reason "he did more damage", man please. zDexum. Topic Archived; First; Previous; Page . Moro was not even able to passively absorb Goku since he was slightly faster than him and when he did it did not provide a power boost. Yeah, I will. Did you read or check the manga panels? Goku wouldn't have said it in any other way. Even God Ki itself has consistently been getting dwarfed or matched by regular ass mortals in Super lol. @axiompulse: So pretty much just agree to disagree because I really don't see any concrete proof that it should be interpreted in such a way or anything undoubtedly suggesting Goku was above him at that point. Ssbe kkx20 would only be 40x ssb right? @lilyeezywest: you need to chill the hell out. Yes, okay leave it at that. That along with Goku saying he has been surpassed by Vegeta is enough feats to prove that Vegeta is above Goku in power. While it was stated that Vegeta got stronger, it didnt state that he got stronger than Goku. 3:03 PREVIEW 1 SONG, 3 MINUTES. Talk about contradictions. You have to remember that MUI goku first blitzed him, hit him while taking advantage of weaknesses, dodged over million blasts, then got serious after blocking his final blow and utterly demolished him and Jiren remained STANDING. @axiompulse: ... What else is there to prove when both of them say it? You are making it seem that by default if someone has a technique they automatically are stronger. Stress: Not strangling the life out of someone when they desperately need it. If he was indeed stronger than him then forced spirit fission technique would not be needed. @gelato_exotic: Again, surpassing is vague and open to interpretation but makes more sense that he was referring to Vegeta's skill since even Goku admitted that he wasn't able to learn forced spirit fission. Also, there is no contradiction since I'm mainly stating what happened in the manga. That's not true at all, Goku states verbatim that Vegeta is stronger than him. Who's arguing the reason why he won? Beerus was totally gonna blink Moro even though we didn't know what was gonna happen! So even is this is post yardrat training vegeta I don't consider him to be in the same league of MUI OR Jiren. What more needs to be explained???? All these semantics and leaps in logic and headcanon tryna get around such a clear cut statement man. ^Before any of you bring up the statement that Vegeta had surpassed Goku, Goku wasn’t talking about power. And that says a lot. All these semantics, leaps in logic, and headcannon trying to make Vegeta stronger than Goku because of one vague statement. January 12, 2018. Vegeta was stronger than Goku point blank period. Vegeta is stronger is my argument nothing else. 1,528 views. Ben Reilly 6 months ago #2. Even bigger than yours most likely. I thought I take it over the top sometimes with scaling Goku in verse in Super, but even I don't wank Goku this hard. Obviously Vegeta hax helped him, but he hstill was landing hits on a Moro that whooped Goku. He never commented on Goku like that. Yes, he said he would step in and help Goku, then got a call from the Grand Priest and left. ??? The manga panel never states that hes the strongest his fought especially when Moro stated that he is still no match for him like what you even talking about lol. You literally stated that Vegeta's ability was countering moro's hax and not via his own power lmao. And then after this is when Goku says "I'll surpass him again" or something along those lines, obviously trying to hammer at the fact that Vegeta at that moment is stronger than Goku. Again, surpassing not in power but in skill since Vegeta showed that he was able to take down moro via his ability and not power. Vegeta's new power boost did not show any superiority over UI Goku but was only via his ability. While Vegeta as greatly improved since the TOP there is little to suggest he has reached the level of Jiren or UI Goku . I can not buy that UI is inferior to SSB Vegeta since it still makes sense that an autonomous body would be much faster/stronger. Yeah, I will. It wasn't even close. He wasn't shown visually tired or exhausted no actually, he was seen absorbing a little of Goku's energy before the Androids helped him. just the recent day you argue for 3 pages in a thread why goku is the best complex character in db and best parental figure too and most people just troll about such a subject but you actually believe it.. I actually can which is why im doing it but if you wanna backtrack then be my guest. Still does not prove that Vegeta is stronger than UI Goku. Also available in the iTunes Store More by Ivangel Music. They don't need to sense god ki in order to sense how strong they are. Also I don't even really wank Goku I was just joking, it's all just factual. Moro absorbing provided little to no power boost since UI Goku still activated and continued like nothing happened. That was weak old moro not sure whats the relevancy here. Vegeta Vs Jiren | Ivangel Music im Hi-Fi-Streaming oder zum Download in echter CD-Qualität auf Qobuz.com Dragon Ball Super – Jiren Vs Vegeta Live Wallapaper Movies / TV. Werbefrei streamen oder als CD und MP3 kaufen bei Amazon.de. Again, you're arguing with the manga, Vegeta is stronger than UI Omen Goku, at that point. Merchandise: Donate Via Paypal: Become A Patreon: SOCIAL LINKS FOLLOW ON TWITTER: LIKE ON Facebook: Join My Discord Server: Soundcloud: Twitch: Bildir. You arguing anything else is attacking a straw man. Given that even with SSBE and SSB KKx20 Goku and Vegeta, who also had help from Frieza and 17, couldn't really amount to a huge gain against Jiren is pretty telling that he was above the individual parts by a huge margin. Nope, but if there is a god I hope he does come down and smack some manners in yours.. Sign Up for free (or Log In if you already have an account) to be able to post messages, change how messages are displayed, and view media in posts. That's the definition of a contradiction. Sonará el Cielo - Single 2020 Esquizofrenico - Single 2020 Mortal Kombat Rap - Single 2019 Pon Atención - Single 2020 Five Nights At Freddy's Rap (feat. On top of the fact Vegeta just mastered a technique that just so happened to be Moro’s weakness. @chaosreigns:I'll actually like to revise what I stated when I said A18 and them said he didn't grow that much, all she said was big talk for someone who can't deliver, and Piccolo did say he grew tremendously, however, to further hammer across the point that Vegeta is stronger than him Moro blatantly alludes to that with this statement. You are using drawings as a means to combat actual statements which is idiotic, I understand it, we all understand it, it's not a difficult or convoluted theory to grasp, it's just blatantly incorrect given the fact that Moro himself that Vegeta would make for a better meal than Goku. Goku who can says he is going to surpass Vegeta, you saying it's for "technique" is an assumption with no evidence for it. You only state that because moro said that he will be his finest meal yet automatically makes him stronger than Goku according to you. Yard Rat Vegeta vs Jiren; User Info: AzurexNightmare. Even absorbing the life energy of the Earth/Namek/Opponents, he literally did that in his first fight against Vegeta and Goku which is why they lost. Moro constantly gets stronger as a battle goes on, while the other gets weaker, that is why Vegeta said "I just wants a fair right", again all this is pointless because Goku couldn't beat Moro. Bro what? Angel training should still be superior's to mortal yardrats' training. Wow, so much context. AzurexNightmare 6 months ago #1. Who would win? Like stated, nothing was mentioned that vegeta was stronger than goku but only that he got stronger. Even the Z-fighters recognized that Vegeta was still not strong enough to even faze Moro, but they did not know that his new technique was mainly to depower Moro via forced spirit fission and not due to raw power. Also, where the hell was it stated that Moro gets stronger while fighting people? Bro what? Vegeta who wasn't even finished with his training was literally surprised by the power increase and couldn't control it that well at first. via technique not power. Its not so hard to grasp once you actually know the reason behind his victory. 2:58. More like you can't even read/comprehend what I am telling you. Is this a "you got me" moment. Entdecken Sie Vegeta Vs Jiren von Ivangel Music bei Amazon Music. And in the manga Goku had to go MUI on Jiren in order to actually make dmg to him. Exactly this, nothing you guys can say is a way around that. If Vegeta didn't have this technique even if he was superior or about equal he still would've lost. Nowhere was it stated that Moro was growing stronger with the battle against UI Goku nor SSB Vegeta. UI Omen Goku is stronger than Vegeta and Vegeta’s technique only worked because Moro wasnt aware of it. Literally, thats all you have for evidence and is weak. Piccolo even noted that Moro was stronger than him, and this is a Moro that had just finished fighting Ultra Instinct Sign Goku. He aint Broly. Go. Everyone noticed that SSB Vegeta's attacks was not fazing moro. @firstmanofsteel: Well to be perfectly clear, UI Goku did more dmg to Moro than SSBE Vegeta. Goku stated that he is a better fighter. Yes, okay leave it at that. You saying Vegeta couldn't beat Moro, or they saying that is pointless when Goku couldn't beat Vegeta. Great, he's more resilient and only shows that Moro's power is not affecting him since his force spirit fission is stripping away his power with each blow. A large part of that fighting also took place before Jiren went to full power. You mean in that quote where he literally states Vegeta is the strongest he fought? How ironic that you call it idiotic for using drawings as combat statements when you use this panel to prove that ssb vegeta was already stronger than Goku: Thanks for admitting that Vegeta's hax was giving him the win. ️ Contact via Email mynameis.kronno@gmail.com Click en la campana + Activa las Notificaciones. Deja un Like y comenta si te ha gustado el vídeo. Tommorow I will put the nail in coffin and prove it you/everybody that UI Goku is stronger than SSB Vegeta in that encounter. Hit and Vegeta vs Jiren Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Not in the sense in what you think it means. If you actually read the manga moro struggles more against goku than vegeta. With Tenor, maker of GIF Keyboard, add popular Vegeta Vs animated GIFs to your conversations. Better fighter =/= stronger. If the opponent hits Jiren during this pose, he will teleport in front of the opponent and surrounds them in a red energy sphere, lifting them up, and then detonates the sphere. 1. When Goku and Vegeta is talking about one upping each other or anything like that they are always referring to power, him saying he will surpass him has never meant in technique, and vice versa, he will surpass him because Vegeta as of that moment was the stronger person. Strawman, I never said anything like that. Again strawman, my argument is Vegeta is stronger than Goku nothing else. Then correct/clarify before making outlandish statements. @chaosreigns: You're giving me a headache, a horrible headache. @gelato_exotic:admittedly you wank him a lot as a character. Did he win? Before creation must come destruction - Beerus. I actually have been debunking it you just keeping making stuff up lol. Unless I’m thinking about it wrong. Why not? When something is not clear its just not reliable. Share the best GIFs now >>> Z Fighters (Android Saga)(No Goku or Vegeta) vs. Vegeta and Nappa (Saiyan Saga), Why is the scene of Goku powering up in front of Jiren so cool. not powerscale. You arguing anything else is attacking a straw man. Dragon Ball Super Episode 122:Vegeta tries to take on Jiren. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. The moro stating" you will make my finest meal yet" is your only piece of evidence for Vegeta being stronger lol. A better idea, don't strawman my argument. Ok cool? @chaosreigns: Those drawings show "superiority" but the words themselves do not, especially from characters who can sense he Ki, and characters that are fighting against each other. What you're telling is he's "stronger" because of technique, if it was stronger because of technique Goku wouldn't have used the word surpassed. @axiompulse: Moro's statement is explicitly that Vegeta would make his best meal yet which says that Vegeta was the strongest he'd fought up until then. Jiren vs Vegeta. Yes Vegeta hax countered Moro, but Vegeta himself was stronger than Goku, if you could never find a situation where they said "I'll surpass you" in anything other than strength, and this is dragonball where strength is the end all be all, I gurantee you they mean strength. Do you want God himself to come smack you in the face and say in that moment Vegeta was stronger than Goku? Except in this case it does not refer to power but how Vegeta managed to defeat Moro without using just raw power. @lilyeezywest: @gelato_exotic: Tomorrow I'm going to fully prove and make you understand as to why UI Goku is still stronger than SSB Vegeta. Bruh the intent is so clear that Vegeta was intended to be stronger than Goku at that point LOL. Vegeta went on training from Yardrat, incase everyone forgot what that means let me just leave this here. If you dont want to continue then don't. No, against UIO3, Jiren was at full power. He does not get stronger via his own power alone. Peoples even say he's above Beerus, when he's not even above Vegeta. God_of_Magic 3 weeks ago #11. https://www.facebook.com/panoramadunia1234/ Had Vegeta not use his technique he would amount to nothing. Nice thank you. Being confident doesn't explain anything. No, no it's not vague. Vegeta uses his most powerful Final Flash ever against Jiren but the results are not as expected. He won via technique not because he was stronger than Moro or Goku. @lilyeezywest: Don't worry you are also giving me headache. Bro... Goku lost to Moro. Vegeta couldn't beat him because Moro hax would allow him to absorb his energy, he needed something to counteract that to even have a chance to win? I feel like I am repeating myself, if something can have different interpretations then its not reliable and its not clear. Belmod believed Jiren could end UIO at any time. @chaosreigns: Bro what? Also, where the hell was it stated that Moro gets stronger while fighting people? That's what that means, you are using statements from people who can't sense God Ki. What does that matter? Animated wallpaper is a cross between a screensaver and desktop wallpaper. You are taking things at face value and not at the context of what they meant. Sonraki oynatılıyor. Moro only gets stronger via absorbing life energy. Moro saying that Vegeta "would be his best meal" is vague and open to just any meaning. This is Beerus's secret. @chaosreigns: There is no actual way to do that, I will just be repeating the same statements, you can't give us anything, save your time. If I am thinking about it right he’d still be 10x weaker than ssj gogeta. @chaosreigns: Those drawings show "superiority" but the words themselves do not, especially from characters who can sense he Ki, and characters that are fighting against each other. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The Power Gap between MUI Goku and Jiren is not that large with Goku only being superior in combat. Werbefrei streamen oder als CD und MP3 kaufen bei Amazon.de. Without FSF, how can SSBE Vegeta overcome Omen's dodge hax? Is that your argument here when Moro is literally stating based off of energy, which is the "meal" That Vegeta would be the best meaning he's the strongest since Ki = strength. Enjoy dragon ball super vegeta vs jiren SUPPORT YOUR PRINCE! Moro even states it and even Gohan notes that it had barely any effect: Well, the "drawings" show more superiority towards Goku than Vegeta and those manga panels is how people can gague their power as well as get the feats. Vegeta's training, as much as a power boost it gave him, was still no match for Moro. Entdecken Sie Vegeta Vs. Jiren von Ykato bei Amazon Music. ^We clearly see that UI Goku managed to bruise and bleed Moro to a certain extent. You keep on using characters who cannot gauge how powerful someone is, he can't sense them, they can only get a feel for them. Jiren is the most wanked characters. Goku's statement could arguably be interpreted in more than one way but Moro's statement is pretty straightforward. Looking foward to it, lets see if you got anything special to bring to the table. He does not get stronger via his own power alone. http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/ dragon ball forum. Again strawman, my argument is Vegeta is stronger than Goku nothing else. He says "You'll make for my finest meal", meal = energy energy = ki, ki = power, that means that Vegeta was the strongest person he fought, you can't be this dumb. It's not taking things at face value. That's the definition of a contradiction. U.7:goku ssj blue kkx20 e vegeta ssj blue… COUNTER IMPACT-Turns his back and extends one hand forward. Based on what? The person who is training him states he has grown by "leaps and bounds" not "slightly". Moro was not even absorbing life energy at that point since he even stated prior that he wanted to finish them off before doing so. Based on the fact that everyone and even moro said that his new power boost was still not enough to defeat him. So Vegeta only defeated Moro because of his new technique not because of raw strength like Goku. It is vague because it can have different meanings. Even Goku himself says he will surpass Vegeta again, and Moro says Vegeta will make for his finest meal even before he was aware of forced spirit fission how are you going to argue the contrary? Moro also has the ability to constantly get stronger while fighting people, so Moro when he fought Vegeta was obviously stronger than when he fought Goku. If anything, Vegeta only managed to annoy him until he realized that his strikes were stripping away his power. Loveit Dragon BallZ. SSBE Vegeta vs Belmod; User Info: God_of_Magic. Who cares how Vegeta won? Who cares how Vegeta won? Also no he doesn't you are using drawings or "visuals" to try to come to that conclusion when Goku the only one on that battle field who can sense God Ki is admitting inferiority. You not stating anything that happened, you're ignoring statements and claiming themn as vague when it's given to you on a silver platter, indulge. At this point, you would only be picking what suits your bias. Who's arguing the reason why he won? Coming from the troll who still thinks Beerus>Goku lol, He's stronger yet Beerus was going to handle moro for Goku in his strongest form lmfao come on now. Vegeta ability counteracted Moro. They gonna do better since he isn't at full power like where you going with this. Vegeta Eliminated, Goku's Ultra Instinct Again, Finally Vegeta Gives His Energy To Goku,Goku,Jiren . Exactly, it's open to interpretation, but Moro admitting that Vegeta would be his best meal yet adds the context that they're clearly refers to strength here. If Vegeta didnt use or had forced spirit fission, the fight would be meaningless and be over much faster. Vegeta was attributing it a lot more to his own prodigy than the Yardrat training. Vegeta is going to get Jiren's limit breaker aura. So I don't understand your premise. I dont buy that even that Vegeta at that point is stronger than UI Goku. You are getting awfully mad over a debate. Why do you keep comparing Moro to Goku when he was shwon superior to Goku, he outclassed him effortlessly. We have no idea how he was gonna "handle" Moro. In the manga, Vegeta was eliminated almost right at the end of the Tournament, after Goku had already mastered and then lost access to the mastered Autonomous Ultra Instinct. It was implied that his increase was also rather large as they seemed surprised he had so much power still in reserve. Forced spirit fission acts more like an ability rather than a power boost like Ultra Instinct. I don't buy that the technique that the gods strive so hard to achieve would be inferior by god ki. Like I stated, just relying on a statement is not enough to prove anything. 15 sec cooldown. User Info: Ben Reilly. Devil May Cry 5 already came out, so i'm good. Good old comicvine users not knowing what in the hell they are taking about. What you're telling is he's "stronger" because of technique, if it was stronger because of technique Goku wouldn't have used the word surpassed. Because Moro stated that he couldn't? Yes Jiren still wins but the people saying Jiren stomps are just flat out wrong. Then why didn't he just say you'll make a finer meal than before, would've been pretty simple, Along with Goku's own statement I really don't see what's so wrong or unreliable with it.